The Government wants your Wagon....

The reason for mileage tracking is because of the more fuel efficient, hybrid and electric vehicles. They know they will loose millions of dollars in tax revenue because of less gas being sold.

 

It has been pointed out to me,that the voucher you would get would help you buy one of the many thousands of vehicles allready built and waiting to be sold...SO,,,the voucher you get for selling your 17-18 mpg city and 23-24 mpg highway stationwagon would be to help you buy one of those big SUV's or minivans Detroit can't get anyone else to buy.One that actually gets worse mpgs than what we've allready got...This is a "well meaning" measure that doesn't really accomplish anything,but the elimination of older vehicles.And the way "they" figure that out is,if your car was made in 19anything,it's a decrepid,gross polluting gas hog,and the "world" is a better off place without it around.It doesn't matter that cars made since aren't really any better...It's all apart of that BS propaganda about how "10% of the cars make 90% of the smog"."Feel good legislation" to make the Trendies think that they're actually doing something to make the world a better place to live in.Studies show,that the average owner of a Prius or other non-American hybrid or other "car to save the planet",is less likely to recycle all their cans and bottles than someone who doesn't own that kind of car.The mentality is;if they buy that kind of car,they're saving the planet,recycling isn't that necessary to them...Think how much better off the planet would be,if they too recycled all their cans and bottles,instead of being so self-righteous and holier than thou about the whole thing.

 

This is just the beginning. Once they have succesfully got their foot in the door (as they just did) it will expand. In a couple of years it will be the age of the vehicle. Than in afew more it will be any car that gets less than 20 mpg. It will never stop.

The beginning of the end of Classic cars is NOW.

 

This is actually a good discussion and don't want it to degrade to us and them sort of thing.

However, nothing in the bill would require anybody to "retire" their old car. But for example me. I have four older cars, my newest two being 17 years old. The oldest two 23 and 27 years old. There are many like me who hang on to these things for no other reason that the lack of car payments are a good thing and insurance is cheap.

I can afford a new car. As I'm sure many in my situation can. I'd certainly consider dumping the old 86 tbird for a new Fusion or Taurus. I would probably not consider getting rid of the wagon. Even though worthless, I like it. I'd like to have a new Ranger as well.

So, for some the program would be good. Assists the buyer and assists the dealer and auto manufacturer.

I'm very surprised that no one has complained that our money (taxes) is buying cars for someone else. That's my only rub. My taxes shouldn't be used this way. Assisting people to purchase a new car has little to do with public interest. Per the constitution the government has ONE task. Provide for the defense of the country. That's it's only mandate. I purposefully left that out of my previous post to see the reaction. The reaction tended to be towards the outrage of crushing old cars rather than the improper use of my/our money!

The bottom line is that if approved I may consider using it if only to recover some of my taxes rather than let others spend my money. Unless one of our folks here would consider buying my 86 Bird.Which by the way is way less polluting than my wagon.

 

Our tax dollars are wasted in myriad ways. This bill is nothing more than another ploy to gain control of our lives and force us to drive a POS government mandated car. It will happen. If I'm still around....they will have to fight to get my wagon from my cold dead hands. Take THAT to the bank!

 

Not to mention making people buy things they can't afford, and so the credit cycle can continue to be perpetuated. Perpetrated?

 

OK this pot is stirred sufficiently now. I'll move on.

P.S. Vote carefully you may just get what you deserve.

 

No offense, TB, but I hardly think this pot needs any stirring. And voting is fruitless. It's the system that needs changing and many laws taken off the books.

 

true enough

that IS a valid point.maybe even more valid than the one about the bias against what we consider to be nice old cars.in a time when even the government itself is falling on hard financial times,it really doesn't make any sense for them to be throwing all that money at something that's not really going to make much of a difference...here in California,our illustrious Senator Feinstein outlined the program as a way to get people back into buying new cars and help save the American auto industry...(1)if I sell them one of my cars,it will be the 95 Taurus.(2)With the $3,000 voucher I get from that,I will go buy a $3,000 car.NOT a brand new one,I cannot possibly afford!.(3)If buying a $3,000 car with the voucher is not going to be an option,they will get neither car...I do believe,there will be a bunch of people who think the same way...I also realize that there will be a bunch of people thinking that driving a brand new car will be a good and wonderfull thing.And buy into the deal wholesale.Problem is;how many people who own an "old clunker" will be able to keep up the payments?Afford the new car insurance rates?..Isn't this actually going to make things worse,when a bunch of these deals go sour?..I'm thinking,this deal is just a way to make some of the "little people" think they're getting some bailout money too.When it's actually just a way to make them deeper in debt and minus a car...

 

Yah they expect people to make that $3000 a down payment on a car they can't afford!

 

From the Detroit free press.

http://www.freep.com/article/200905...members+reach+compromise+on+cash+for+clunkers

 

And another with some detail...

http://washingtonindependent.com/41919/democrats-reach-compromise-on-cash-for-clunkers

 

They can kiss my Potomac River

 

The Pontiac Potomac!..I always liked those cars...Well,since I can barely afford my Taurus,and all I have to pay for is gas,maintenance and insurance,these vouchers are completely and totally a NON-option for me. How my elected officials seriously thought people going bankrupt and foreclosed on are going to jump whole-heartedly on this bandwagon to nowhere,is beyond me...And WHAT was GM thinking? Announcing the end of Pontiac! Like that's going to help. The best we can do is help spread the word about how this is an incredibly bad deal for anyone and everyone who buys into it. They've got people thinking this will be the rope they pull theirselves up out of the muck and mire with---and it's really going to be the rope they hang themselves with...

 

I was Talking about the river.