GLOBAL WARMING attack or defend

The big coffee/donut chain here is named after a deceased Hockey player. The guy was a good player, a drunk, and committed suicide in his italian sports car. His wife started up one place to replace the insurance she never got, and it took off. Then Pepsi bought it and the rest is history. She got shafted on the buyout too.

You should read this Wiki article. Thermal Depolymerization turns city trash into Light Crude Oil. With Plastic bags included in the decomposition it raises the Octane level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization

With Oil climbing back up, it becomes competitive with our Canadian Tarsands oil (we export it to the US for refining - added emissions) and get some of it back as gas or diesel (added emissions for transport, again). Here we've got a landfill that takes trash from two other provinces from 200 miles on either side of us, and North Dakota (100 miles south of us) and we never get a report about their fuel recovery from it. We were just told that dumping fees will double for the locals today.

 

You find some great articles that's for sure. Anything to do with water however, automatically rules Australia out of the game. We just don't have government who want to do anything about increasing our water storage & supplies. They are quick to impose restrictions and fines though!!
On the matter of carbon emissions an article from 2007 gives us a bad rap:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/australias-greenhouse-emissions-twice-world-rate/2007/05/22/1179601374518.html

 

Yeah but! Almost a 3rd of Autralia is uninhabited right? Mostly what we call tundra (scrub land, low vegetation, etc.) and most of your fresh water is from desalination plants for the larger cities, right?

The total is skewed by whoever did that study, because you guys depend on rainfall for your water, whereas we get ours from snow and ice that stores it for 6 months of the year, as well as rainfall and barely melts by the next winter.

 

Not as many desal plants as you may think.
http://www.environment.gov.au/soe/2006/publications/emerging/desal/index.html

The amount of rain we get during the wet season would keep Australia green indefinitely. Unfortunately the majority of this rain occurs in vast unpopulated areas and I guess gov are happy just to let it flow back out to sea. Of course, where we do have good rainfall around Brisbane & the Gold Coast would be considered 'Prime Real Estate' if you follow. Too prime($$$) for a silly dam or reservoir to occupy?

 

I graduated in 1981, My Junior year I had a class called "Contemporary World Problems" and I had to write a paper on a current "Problem". I chose the "FACT" that scientists had reached a consensus that the world was slipping into a new ICE AGE and used a TIME MAGAZINE cover story as my information. Now they've reached a "consensus" that the planet is getting warmer...... You know what .. I think it is getting warmer is some places, my Grandfather always told stories about being able to iceskate on local creeks in the winter, we can't do that now.

But what does that prove?
I also remember the hole in the Ozone that was caused by hairspray and Halon fire extinguishers that now seems to be gone.

Bottom line, Yeah it's getting warmer....That doesn't mean rich white guys are the cause.
And the last people I want collecting money to solve the "problem" is the united nations...

 

WR, so many things have been spoon-fed. More Vitamin X, then don't take Vitamin X, bad Canola, good Canola, good soya oil, bad soya oil. Then we got Greenhouse Gasses which morphed to Kyoto Protocol to Climate Change to Global Warming. Meanwhile dozens of eggspurts like Susuki have made 100's of millions flogging truths with fear to be paid to preach something half-a$$ed credibility.

What's really wrong with all of it, is that a whole industry is being built out of old, cheap, DIY chemistry and technology into SAE approved highend gadgets that break down when the warranty expires.

Ask any of the old Mountain folk about using alcohol in their pickups and cars. Even Henry Ford built his Model T and Model A to burn Alcohol, Kerosene, Naphta or gasoline. But we gave tax incentives for our manufacturers to move to foreign countries, some which were just happy to collect employee taxes, instead of corporate taxes. So our dirty industries got sold to Brazil (Rio Tinto bought up steel, Aluminum and Nickel companies) and then redistributed the plants to Australia, China, etc. where emissions laws and penalties weren't a big fine.

Take Intel and AMD. They moved their water-intensive chip processes to Taiwan. Problem is Taiwan has frequent droughts. So the US showed them how to seed clouds to make rain.

North Dakota used the US army to build a canal from Devil's lake to the Red River (northern extension of the mighty Mississippi river, flows right into our Red River valley and flooded everything from Fargo, ND to 600 miles North of the US/CDN border, while California is pumping old water filled oil wells to irrigate their huge veggie crops instead of building a North/South pipeline down to the more arid states.

Every time a government solves one problem they create 10 more, at least, and they leave it to future governments to clean up. We are masters of self-sabotage. Old, simple technology is too simple, to cheap to make and too reliable.

Canada won't join any Climate agreement until China and the US and India do? So we merrily pollute disproportionately to make Oil Crude from Tarsands, and it costs $65 USD$ per barrel to convert it to useful crude, while Oil from oil wells costs $19 USD$. Ethanol costs $80 per equivalent barrel.

Alcohol from wood chips or newsprint is like the cost of an old kettle or bathtub heated up with cheap solar panels made from old windows and some black paint, and some tubing. Lots of folks do it in 3rd world countries and likely some remote parts of our countries. Except we now have 13,000 sattelites doing rectal exams from 512 miles up every 10 minutes.

We've been swooned into a corner, to the point that we can't help ourselves out of it without some means of stopping the encroachment and discouragement from our own ingenuity.:banghead3:

 

Climate change is 100% natural, happens continually, and nothing Man has done or can do, can stop it. People are truly arrogant to insist that Man is "killing the planet". Earth will be here for several billion years after we are dust. We are a mere pimple on a gnat's a$$ in the span of Time. A meteor or comet could strike Earth tomorrow and make this whole "global warming/cooling/climate change" nonsense moot, since EVERYTHING will be gone, and it won't matter.