GLOBAL WARMING attack or defend

I'm curious as to your views on the 'Global Warming' issue. (That we have created or caused it)
Personally, I think it's over-rated and really sick of hearing about it every 5 minutes. We now have members of Gov down here 'backflipping' on their earlier beliefs (that the human impact) was mainly the cause. Of course they're changing their views now that they have COMMITTED Australia to the Kyoto protocol.
My view is that while we may have contributed to a very, very small portion, there are natural forces at work that are on an astronomical scale, in comparison & literally. For the example, it is estimated our sun is about half through it's life, and as it ages it increases in size eventually engulfing the earth within a few billion years.
Another is the moons' orbit is gradually weakening from Earths' gravitational influence. We all know of the moons influence on ocean tides.
Surely events such as these, that are beyond our control, will have an increasing effect on global weather conditions. We have not been here long enough to know or fully understand the way our Earth behaves and adjusts to these cosmic influences.
Anyhow, that was my vent & rant .
Please feel free to comment and express your views.

 

Oh boy, the can of worms is open for business!

You know I live where it's been cold since the Ice Age, so you'd think I'd be a denier. Global Warming is a fact, but not readily evident for most of us.

First it was the Ozone depletion around the South Pole, which somehow has shifted to the North Pole. Then it's emissions (CO2, NOx, CO, HC).

In Canada, our breakdown is like this:
24% emissions from Agriculture/Forest management (or lack of)

26% from Industry (oil, gas, transport of goods by Air, Train, Ship or Plane, steel and mining or tarsands oil, etc.)

23 to 24% is personal and tradesmen vehicles (non-freight)

Balance is heating and cooling of buildings (about 24 to 26%)

Since the North pole is melting, the stored methane in the glacial ice is starting to come free. When it combines with other goodies caught in the old glaciers, it acts a bit like an Air Conditioner and we get frigging colder and longer winters, coming from North of Alaska and southeast across 900 miles of prairies.

We are losing migratory birds (down from some 50 million to 46 million in the last 10 years). We're losing bees and bats thanks to herbicides and pesticides on these same prairies which they used to pollenate and we've got fewer bats and birds eating bugs and pests that attack the grain and crops that we grow and export to most of the world.

Our water (we own 20% of the planet's fresh water) is growing algae and choking the plancton. Fish are mongoloid, distorted and often not safe to eat.

Something's rotten in Canada. Other countries are facing worse stuff, but not all of it is Global warming. Our moronic government gave 16 large freshwater lakes to the mining industry to dump their tailings, AND cut off any water quality testing across the country! They used to do it since water manometers were invented (early 1900's until 2008). Now we have E-Coli outbreaks and Boil Orders quite often.

Polluting fines for industry are a joke and the research grants they get to adapt new and cleaner systems are never enough to do much more than pay a partisan cronie to write up annual 'non-results' reports.

SSDD = Same Sh!t, Different Day.

Cars are their easiest target, because we're too busy being rude to each other on the road, that they know we'll never form a large united Lobby to face them down. Specific industries are now mostly global, so finding the CEO in one Country won't solve your local issues, and the Political Parties are funded by the big corps.

Farmers don't fallow land anymore, so they buy treated grain, some that are modified to NOT produce seeds, and need the matching Herbicides and Pesticides made from... wait for it... petrochemicals.

People have tried to stop Monsanto and Dow since WWII. Governments haven't.

Home Heating and AC are the next easy target, especially since most big cities aren't built with people-friendly neighbouring as the goal. So putting up a local City wind-generator per block like this is out of the question. No bird-kill, no noise, just power.

http://www.windports.com/

or this on your roof:
http://www.windterra.com/

What would happen to coal-fired generators? Oh my.

And so it goes...

We are masters of self-sabotage.

 

For a little more context (Australia is close in size). Canada is 5% of the planet, we produce 2% of all the emissions, with only .005% of the 6.6 billion people on it. Our GNP is 1.2 trillion US dollars. How can so few people make such a disproportionate mess?

 

GMWGN this is a pretty reputable magazine on things GREEN and lots of DIY plans and projects. I subscribe to their free email notices and look at topics of interest. I am not a subscriber to their magazine though. Today's email sent me to this article about regulating emissions in the USA. We would likely see our federal morons reluctantly align with it, as usual.:

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Nature-Community/Greenhouse-Gases-EPA-Regulation.aspx

 

My emission stats were old

This is from April 21, 2009. We're worse than I thought at 14% in Canada, not 2%.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/uplo...l_carbon_dioxide_co2_emissions_per_capita.pdf

From this article:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Nature-Community/Greenhouse-Gases-EPA-Regulation.aspx

 

And Americans can comment/lobby/protest on their regulatory changes direct to the Government! Holy smokes! :banghead3::banghead3::banghead3:

http://www.regulations.gov/search/index.jsp

 

You posted LOTS of good info, Norman.

But getting our governments attention it isn't as easy as you make it sound.
Just as it is pretty much all over, down here money talk$.
The rest of us just pound keys in a futile attempt to be heard.
:banghead3:

 

I am of the opinion that the whole global warming issue (as being man made) is a Hoax. The Earth naturally warms and cools and has been for MILLIONS of years all by itself.

Do you notice how you dont hear about 'warming' anymore? Now its 'climate change'. Thats because the earth has actually cooled for 8 strait years now and the alarmists have no support for thier garbage rhetoric anymore. Its a massive lobbyist driven money machine and nothing more.. its about govt control and fears.

Doesnt anyone remember that there were about.. what 15 Ice ages? The ice retreated each time due to warming right? We werent here to influence that warming and we arent influencing it now.

All we hear about is how the polar ice caps are melting... yeah, so? They melted before too? and then regrew. They find fossils of tropical plants at the north pole..why? because it once was tropical. PLUS, notice how nobody mentions how the Arctic Ice is actually growing? No panic of an ice age from that? LOL

The earths warming is DIRECTLY related the orbit and distance from the sun.. it goes in 13 year cycles generally...

I dont buy into any of this global warming 'crap'.

IMO

 

I typed in EPA in the search box, then relisted by most Recent Date. The Corps are commenting and submitting documents like CRAZY!

At least some ambitious bureaucrat looking for a promotion might take a good idea and flog it as his own. We never get heard here. Not even in elections. Only 20% were needed of the 59% of eligible voters to elect this moronic closet government.

The info is good, though. I got a quote to install one of the big block-wide City windmills - $55,000 with one 5KW unit and $35,000 for each additional 5KW unit on top- up to 5 KW - that's 10 small homes. Heated and Hydroed and power for 5 hybrid cars to boot. In summer we can bank extra power for winter months (net-metering). The little roof-top units produce enough 1.2 KW for a workshop and charging a hybrid. 4 of them would power up a house. They do make some noise though, unlike the big ones.

 

I think the lobby groups are grabbing at anything unsightly and justifying their federal funding with false logic. For instance, all the plastic bottles on the street and plastic bags would disappear if we paid a recycle fee. They did that here, but since there's no commodity market for it, nobody is collecting it and reselling it. A lot of it is a make-work project for government screw-ups that got caught with their pants down.

Still, we are wasteful. Just the guys restoring their cars are saving tons of emissions by restoring their cars. Most people don't have $30,000 for a decent new car, so they drop $5,000 or $10,000 into one to keep it pretty and safe. And looking at us wagon folk, that's 30 or more model years of cars that weren't smeltered.

 

Holy smoke!, I didn't realise Australia was #3:confused: Although I'm not sure I follow the chart properly?

 

It breaksdown the major sources of these small particles (10 microns or less) by source (legend at bottom) and the annual national income by nation. The more we make the more we pollute. Canadians use more water per person than anyone else on the planet, for instance.

We're good people with a lousy government system and ignorant (thanks to the same system) about how other countries save energy, use water wisely, and pollute less. It's for own dumb good, so we spend our money on higher taxes to fix what the previous government didn't talk about.

 

I remember as a kid you would go round and collect all the glass bottles because you would get a cent or two for each once you returned them to the shop. It used to be Australia wide back then, but like Stormin Norman says above it's not marketable, and it pretty much disappeared except for only one state. They offer a 5 cent return on each bottle?

 

And people didn't break the glass ones, did they? I never cut myself on a broken bottle, when I ran around in my scooter, bike or pogo-stick. Meanwhile our streets look like a landfill. People throw them out the window driving by. Even those 'free' litter bags that the gas stations gave away (hung on the radio knob) wouldn't handle the water and soda bottles). You'd need a blue recycle box on the backseat for the coffee cups.

Do you have a chain of Drive-thru coffee/donut shops in OZ? The morning lineups are often more than a mile long! And more rear-end accidents than any other cause - for $3.00/cup? Nutso.

 

Over the last few years we have had an increase in coffee chains, but none are drive through. Donut shops are only starting to become popular (my opinion is they don't know how to make a good donut down here).
I think one of the American chains has only just started to setup shop here, I think it's Krusty Kreme or something along those lines?

The move now is to eliminate the plastic bags that your groceries are put in, some stores have stopped using them, others are introducing a charge per bag etc. They are a litter problem, but the other side of the coin is they are handy to reuse as garbage bin liners...but I guess alot of people must still be throwing them away.