HHO Systems.

Does HHO system really work or is it all weird science?

 

Weird science.

 

It works, but its got a long way to go. Apparently its partially based on some of Tesla's work with batteries and acid types. Once they start extracting the 2 gasses and separating them from the water formulation, the double Hydrogen and Oxygen make for a cleaner and more oomphy explosion in the combustion chamber.

The wierd stuff is around the electrical radius aroung the battery. They figure if they can harness that, that maybe they can dump alternators and generators.

Its still 5 to 10 years away, but some guys do have cars running on it, mainly in Australia.

 

So it really works or is the versions I have been reading about just a waste of time.

http://www.gassavers.org/forumdisplay.php?f=66

 

No, not a waste of time. Many of those do work, but you need a pretty good bundle of experimental cash to tinker with it.

Its kind of a spin-off from water-injection, except that your splitting molecules outside of the combustion chamber.

The problem for me is that Hydrogen Gas hybrids, like some of the Toyotas, won't work in my cold weather. They don't work in -30C (-20F). Toyota confirms this in their own sales and tech literature, using Hydrogen Fuel Cells made from Natural Gas.

 

Hmmm seems like there is a lot of misinformation out there because some are saying you can build it for $50.00 then I found a website that is selling them from $165.00 to $500 My car isn't EFI I just can't see how it would help.

 

IMO right now it's junk science. Nobody is going to convince me that you can fuel a car by putting electrodes in water and driving off the gas produced. If it was that easy it would be standard equipment. We wouldn't be driving gasoline powered cars for over 100 years if it was true.

 

According to the diehard HHO guys, you'd be burning water, not gasoline. Preferably distilled water, but rainwater would do. No fuel stations required. That's the goal.

 

I have to agree with Steve if it worked why isn't a option at least on cars and trucks?

 

I'm not defending it RK, just summarizing what I've learned about Hydrogen. Hydrogen fuel cells are optional on Toyotas up here, but only on leased toyota SUVs. This HHO process adds a lot of weight to store and pump the hydrogen gas that it does produce, to a regular car. Plus safety features to reduce the damage of an explosion.

Water Injection has been around since the late 70's for gasoline vehicles, and on Diesel tractors for even more, but not this HHO thing. I saw it on a new Volvo highway rig, as an add-on trial. Drivers were claiming a 10 to 15% increase in fuel efficiency and cleaner engine operation.

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me3.html

 

You can also buy a hydrogen powered BMW 745. But it's bottled gas.

What I'm slamming is the idea that the car can make HHO from water in volumes enough to drive the car or actually burn water which is total hogwash. You can spend $50 or $1,000 and you still not power a car.

Experimental systems that gain 5% increase in milage is believable. Take your average diesel Volvo tractor trailor rig and 5% is not much more than 0.3 mpg. But that's how it starts...small.

 

Right Steve. Its not there, by a long shot. Somehow driving with a compressed hydrogen gas bottle doesn't appeal to me either.

 

I think the ones you can buy or make yourself are BS. It is known that the bonds between H and O molecules are very strong and actually need more energy to break apart then what they generate when they join. Doing both processes in your car can never result in nett extra energy. Fuelcells are a whole different ballgame and I can assure you that there are no real option of doing this yourself yet. In our lab we work close together with several automobile brands to make this happen.
More to the dark side you come into the area of the Joe cell, but I won't be getting into that, that is for everyone to judge personally.
I still believe there are options. Already in the 70's there have been carbs that could increase milage 10 fold, that misteriously went missing. There is even an internal study model from the GM guys also from the 70's that is an Opel Kadett caravan (yep, that is a wagon!) which gets around 200mpg. This car still exists and is at a dealer that deals in famous cars. When this car was mentioned to the technical CEO guy of GM now (I don't remember his name) in an interview about alternative fuels and the developments that GM is doing in that field, he immidiately responded with "no comment" and stopped the interview.
I fully believe there has been no drive for the automobile industry for decades to save on fuel, because of deals with the oil industry. Over 25000 (!) electric cars were driving in New York in the 20's.
But the deal with the ultra economic Opel and the missing carburators is in the fact that they heat the carburator to high temps. Full details I don't remember now, but it has to do with the difference of "misting" fuel in very small droplets as is done now (both in carb cars as well as injection) or fully vapourise it.
One thing I do agree one, I think that most new developments will come from small brands like Tesla. Big manufacturers are bound to the oil industry to much and are very conservative in implementing new technology.

 

Now this looks like a more viable solution and safer for a engine.

 

Does heating the air box on FI cars help at all?