Removing that damn "patina" nonsense!

You guys laugh about how it is possible to "wash" patina off a car or truck...read on!

Removes surface rust - Pour C-L-R (or similar product) into a bucket and dilute with water (about 1 part CLR/2 parts water). Used a green ScotchBrite and use medium pressure. It leaves the surface surpassingly smooth & no scratches. You must wash & wax immediately afterwards. If you stop here, then a coat of WD40 will last to the first rainstorm or about three days, whichever comes first! If you want to go further, read on!

Then, wash the vehicle with Dawn dishwashing liquid. Then, spray the paint down with Simple Green and rub some of the oxidation off with that. Simple Green is an amazing product! Wash with Dawn again. After that, use the Mequires clay bar system to take off any hard deposits. After that, use Mequires Ultimate Compound and then Mequires cleaner-wax.

After all that, for maintenance, you can use a product by Turtle wax called "Color Back"; it can be found in the waxes at your local auto parts store. You just wipe it on, then use a clean towel to wipe it off.

It takes some time and effort - you aren't going to be able to do this in an hour, or at the local spray wash emporium. You'll be amazed at the results! Maybe your wagon won't actually need a paint job (or worse yet, a bath in primer!) after all!

 

All that and no pics for proof!


I guess we have a different idea of what "patina" is. Not saying your idea is wrong but it's only going to work to a point......but I'm still not gona use a green ScotchBrite on my paint or WD-40

Sounds more like you are talking about paint restoration as I did......I did wash the car with simple green before I started, that product is great:2_thumbs_up_-_anima







Sorry for the stupid size pic......

This is how I have all ways under stood patina, it's done, it's toast, it need paint. I've got it all shinny and sparkling now but there is no way to bring it back but polish clean and seal it up until one day new paint happens.


Now this is patina......

 

My example of "patina" is that '60 Falcon wagon for sale in OK. When I do a job, I don't take pictures of it while I'm doing it...I just DO it.

I've done this very thing on at least a half-dozen cars and two trucks over the past ten years. Washing with a SctchBrite is just a part of the process. I've also used ScotchBrite and Ajax or Comet powder to do the initial cleaning and then go with the C-L-R with great success. THIS is why you follow the rest of my instructions (clay bar, etc.). It's not going to restore it to a Day One paint job, obviously, nor do I claim it does. But, it sure as hell is going to look better in the end than if you just leave the "patina" nonsense.

Having simple, faded original paint is not patina, as in your Oldsmobile example. That blue Mercury wagon needs paint, pure and simple.

 

Well if it works for you, all the power to ya Pics though before and after do have more meaning considering you are talking about using some abrasive products ( Any body else gona srub there paint with Ajax/Comet and a Scotchbrite?)...just say'n....and I'm saying it with a , OK!? You have been here long enouph to know....no pics (before and after), no proof, never happened

but for your reference of that 60 Falcon, your idea and or mine including my Beateor ..... your just going to get a polished turd in the end, there's no paint to restore, or polish. It's gona look exactly the same, just shiny!

 

I've taken cars that look just like that Falcon and made them pretty...and yes, with Ajax and a Scotchbrite pad. Whether you believe it or not, I don't care either way. Just telling you what works. A perfect example of what I'm talking about is the 1963 Dodge Custom 880 in my pictures here on the site. It looked just like that Falcon, PLUS it had been parked in a huckleberry bush for eight years, so it really looked like $hit! The process I described made it look like what you see in that picture. AND, the paint shined up pretty damn nice, to boot.

If you don't believe what a ScotchBrite pad and Ajax can do for the good, what do you think rubbing compound is VERY similar to???

 

I've used Ajax, Comet, or whatever on WHITE cars, but I've never considered using it on dark or metallic paint.
BTW, my FIRST station wagin was a nicer version of that Falcon...

 

We used to use Ajax on a damp cloth to remove lettering from commercial vehicles. It removed the paint in nothing flat and care had to be used not to remove the original paint because you could go clear thru to the primer in nothing flat.

Rubbing compound comes in various grades from fast cut to polishing compound. Each has its purpose.

Your exotic method could easily be accomplished by a good wash, wet sanding with the proper grit, and compound buffing. You must be a Fast N Loud employee.

 

Fat m-f-ing chance there, Jack. At least I know what the hell I'm doing. Have you watched that travesty?

I've been working around and on cars since 1972. Yes, I am fully aware of the various grades of compound, thank you.

 

Your claiming the above pic of "after" looked like the falcon "before"???




REALLY??



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I am not slamming any cleaner, degreaser, fast cure, etc, etc, etc....... But Come On!

 

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Oh, never mind

 

This process might help some on my Torino. It's just dry and faded and matte and old looking. I have scrubbed it with the soft side of a kitchen sponge before during rain events, but never used Ajax or anything.

 

@Fat Tedy - Yes, that was done, and yes, it looked actually WORSE than the Falcon, because of both the surface rust and the huckleberry mess on the paint. And this was in 1995, pre-Interwebz...Like I mentioned before, I take pics after the work is done. Again, believe it or not, I do not care either way.

The darkest vehicle I've tried this on is a medium blue 1965 F250, which hadn't seen anything remotely resembling a cleaning in maybe 20 years. Four hours later, it was shining like a diamond in a goat's ass. Depending on the level of oxidation, "patina" and the size of the car, it'll take from three to six hours to do the job. Eight if you want to take pretty pictures along the way.

 

in 1971 or 72 a buddy picked up a '50 Ford F-1, dark green with black fenders. A farm vehicle but lightly used, then stuck away in an open ended barn. Home to pigeons, who made it look white from end to end, and it was covered with everything from gas, diesel, dirt and grime and we doubted it had ever been washed.

Ajax and then Turtle wax afterward and it shone like it was a new truck. One or two small areas where a bit too much rubbing went through the paint but just small. He waxed it again a week later and then did it often and that truck still looked gorgeous when I last saw it in '88. I'm a believer, we used it on many cars you'd never think could be revived and with care it works extremely well. Yes, certainly there are now compounds that offer the same results, and you can choose your cool-aid so to speak, but Ajax, Comet, even VIM do work. I've used the VIM a few times in the past few years when I did not have anything else to rub out something, carefully, and I'd not be afraid to use it on some things, not so much on my newer paint.

 

Patrick is a Colony Park owner so he is clearly telling the truth. Colony Park owners like us tend to be refined like our cars and are not prone to showboating, shenanigans, or fish stories.

 

about fish stories.... how do you wash of rust and make it paint again, when the paint is gone because of "patina"......:banana:..? Witch is the comparison provided with a old pic of a white wagon and one that.....has no paint left perioud??


I see no reference to being a "Colony Park owner" has anything to do with this. :confused: