If you know something about your vehicle, you'd go to the service desk and tell him that you need the OBD checked out. Or the reason the two rear wheels fell is cause the frame broke off. If you knew nothing, the Service guy would give you the patronizing "we'll take care of it, Mr Dumbo, and bill you for the estimate." But you go to your doctor for a 'COMPLETE' checkup, and bastards have designer tests for stuff that you expect to have reported!!! BULLSH!T :banghead3: I'm pretty aware of my body and its ups and downs and what I need to do and know and can cure myself, but there's a lot of stuff that I don't know and so I get an annual OBD-ME diagnosis. But get this one! They can do DNA analysis and determine what genetic potential you have for certain diseases (some we know are heriditary). Now, you have to go and ASK SPECIFICALLY for a subtest on Breast or OVARIAN cancer, and you can bet your gonads, that they'll relate Prostrate to Toenail growths. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11349472 The article is a worthwhile read. Nobody wants to live in a bed, hooked up to tubes while these morons play with their new concepts and milk donations in the billions to carry on their Paralysis Through Analysis cowmilking. I'll keep the link, and print it out and have this discussion with my Body 'mechanic' as well. This is just beyond RIDICULOUS. You go to a lawyer with a complex case, and the first thing they do is research the law, for PRECEDENTS. They don't give a bottle of pills or some patronizing off-the-cuff answer and tell you 'sweet music'. You go to a decent GP, and he'll send you to a specialist, who does what? Diagnosis, a Q&A with you - where does it hurt, etc. but the SOB knows or should know that he DOESN'T know everything in his field. Do they receive articles from their patients very much? Do they give a Satisfaction Guaranteed or your Money Back deal? The Operation was a SUCCESS, but the patient DIED, well he's in a deep coma. I came here in Spaceship Norm, and I'll leave it on my terms, not some medical specialist's unwillingness/failure to read his own profession's science literature. How long will it take for our North American doctors to even learn about these DNA subtests, be approved by our Health Agencies, be approved by our Medical Lobbies, and then applied to serve patients. In short, how many will die because somebody dragged their butt to rubberstamp proven science, and somebody else decided it was a test they could charge extra for. We don't ask, they don't tell? Really? For God's sake. They take the oath to do no harm, but leaving people in ignorance is harmful. END OF RANT!!! (for now )
Don't forget... there is no money to be made on cures, but vast fortunes to be reaped on "treatments".
What's the difference between a lousy doctor, and a lousy bartender? The lousy bartender can drink his mistakes...
So right, Steve-E-D. Doctors don't want you cured because they would be out of a job. Same with pharmacutical companies. The only way to stay well is to eat right and excercise. Stay away from meat, eat more fruits & vegatables and believe it or not your quality of life will be better. I didn't believe it until at 45 years old I and my wife changed our diet lifestyle. Boy, what a difference. That was six years ago. Lost weight, more energy, less joint pain, no colds or flu, and overall a better well being.
Tell ya what, many folks grumble about the idea of socialized medicine, but I for one, think its a bad idea to have corporate capitalism running the medical/pharmaceutical industry. Profits, not people, right?
Socialized medicine isn't much better here. I don't mind that there's private medicine, for elective and optional cosmetic issues and specialized surgery with the endocrine, vascular, cerebral, nervous and digestive systems. But the politicians make us beg for them to include the obvious basics and then accumulate a half dozen and run their election on it. They get us by the short and curlies and deflect democracy, like they can or will deliver. Hasn't happened yet! The Testing labs are staffed with idiots - 400 breast cancer tests all screwed up and mixed up in Newfoundland and no heads rolled. Another 200 in Quebec, and no heads served. 300 cases by a Provincial Coroner that convicted 23 to life sentences, to which we are paying millions each for loss of their 25 years earning and spending. Wrong tests, wrong assumptions, and the guy is stll a doctor. Some doctors (I include specialists who are mostly private, but do government subsidized medicine) will refuse to read reports like I posted from other countries, even if, as in this case, the British Empire's bastion of English science and establishes our legal and medical precedents. Regardless, if I have to I'll go doctor shopping to find one who is up on these new strategies, or open to investigating it. If I need an old school doctor, I'll go to the Black Forest in Germany or Latin America. Not some stuck in the mud, closed minded robot.
She's here again on October 10. You have to see this short thread to 'get' her TODAY email. http://www.stationwagonforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10705 "Jesus is watching you, jejeje" (ROTFLHAO!) I told her to stuff a sock in Moses mouth.
Uh, Norman, one comment about your FIRST rant. Now I know you've been married a long time, and guys sort of forget "things", but this one I'm surprised at: "a subtest on Breast or OVARIAN cancer, and you can bet your gonads, that they'll relate Prostrate to Toenail growths." I think almost all (maybe not 100%) of all breast cancer patients, and for sure all ovarian cancer patients, would not have GONADS" I feel a bit awkward that I had to point this out to you. Ummm, how soon is your sweetie going to be back? That long eh? Well, then, there are books you can read that could help you out with this one little area
OK, Norman, now to a serious response. I must be seeing a different level of family doctor to yours. My doc identified and then coached me through the treatments for lymphoma, a stroke, a heart attack, and now nerve and bone disease that is causing my chubby body to become harder to use every day. He led the way with the specialists in every instance, contacting them directly to speak to them about what he'd found to get the ball rolling, then weekly calls to find out status, learn what it was/is being done, asking questions from a medical and patient level that I would not have thought to ask. He's my hero. In my view he saved my life, more than once, through his proactive care he provides to all his patients. We go to his office early so we can chat with fellow patients who are all like one big family. Maybe you just got a bad one? Ones??? Maybe the good ones moved West to enjoy the weather? Maybe you should move out and live near Tedy, or Rev. From the sounds of their car stashes they'd be great sources for parts for you
I can handle her being away. I get more done and faster. Anyway, there have been cases of male breast cancer in Ontario and Quebec. The gonad part was thrown in for dramatic effect. The trans-sexual converts are probably ok, other than the traditional male diseases. Gravity is not a woman's best friend, but those folk have some real challenges in old age.
Just caught your post Barry. We have a hard time keeping doctors of any skill here. After Residency, they're gone. I'm in good shape, and keep focussed on being alert and alive. Good diet, good food, lots of excersize. My wife is more sedate, but also active, and worries too much about things she has no control over. She has to find her way of identifying that famous old poem: God give me the wisdom to change the things that I can and know the difference, etc., etc. So she has a tendency to run down faster than I do, as well as eat more. The post is really about why they propose a separate fee to further test your DNA for these other traits in the DNA as to whether you might be vulnerable to breast cancer or not. If you bring you car to a service shop to check your ignition and they put in new plugs, should you have to pay more to have them test the new plugs for potential failure? We assume a lot of things when the doctor says he'll order tests. That they will be complete and directed to the doctor's advice and diagnosis. When they start splitting hairs about adding fees to test deeper into DNA (the primal architecture), why isn't the results included in the tests of ALL that was detected in the first place. This article names the factor that does come out in the 'in-depth' test, but unidentified as to what it's nature might be. The secondary test would try to develop a probability of its potential for this case. But the factor was known and does come out in the main DNA test. Why charge? If science later finds this out, why wouldn't there be a mechanism to call the patient and give them the news that they need to come in and be re-prescribed or need surgery. If the new plug dies while setting the timing, the shop would just replace it. That's a decent test. If you wait the 8 to 10 days it takes to get the DNA tests, each time. 16 days later you might be alive and well or sick and bed-ridden, or worse. For a mathematical evaluation of the first report? The Micsosoft calculator can do that! Statistical Probability. They get the names of all the molecules atoms and DNA in you, on the first lab tests. The rest doesn't even need you to be present. Its a research fee to find or build a specialized application or a DNA Reader application with textual explanations of their potentials, good or bad, benign or malignant. How else could they convict with certainty or eliminate as a suspect?
