1977 Oldsmobile Toronado

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  1. jaunty75

    jaunty75 Middling Member

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    I don't recall seeing this one before. Beautiful car. I love the blue. That color doesn't show up as often as the browns, tans, whites, and reds. He says 27,000 miles, and the car looks it. Asking $18,000. Good luck.

    I do get a kick out of his photos. His girlfriend or wife is sitting in the passenger seat. She has a "yeah, take all the pictures you want, but don't make me get out of the car" attitude about her.

    https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/d/eudora-1977-oldsmobile-toronado/7552165773.html

    I often wonder what people are thinking when they post a collection of photos like his. Several are almost identical. All but one appear to be taken on a gravel road or driveway out in the country, but one of them is in an alley in a city, and it's the exact same angle as one of his country photos. He has 19 photos, but I'd say only about 14 or 15 actually show anything different.

    The lady is behind the mirror in this one.

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    Better view of the lady. Oh yes, there's a car here, too!

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    Best view of the lady. Texting on her phone. Nice legs!

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    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    Now this is a Tornado I'd be proud to own (lady passenger likely not included).
     
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    I'm wondering now if the price is so high because it includes the lady.
     
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    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    Uh oh. The car isn't the only high-maintenance item.
     
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    Fish nets and tats. That’s gotta be trouble.
     
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    Yeah - oh wait you said fish nets and tats..... I got a little confused there.

    But the car does look nice in that color. Seems like a pretty good example.
     
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    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    Yeah, I don't remember seeing that specific shade of blue before, when Tornados were numerous in the Seventies.
     
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    Two blues shown here. Medium Blue Poly in the rightmost column at the bottom, and Light Blue Poly second from bottom in left-most column.

    The medium blue says "2-tone," which I presume means that it was only available in 2-tone color combinations. The car in question here has a top of lighter shade of blue. What's unusual is that the vinyl top extends over the entire roof. On most Toros, the vinyl top ends even with the rear edge of the door windows.

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    Here's a '77 Toro in apparently the same color but with the much more commonly seen truncated vinyl top. I guess that, since the top is white, this color scheme counts as 2-tone.

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    On almost every factory full vinyl top car I've seen from GM in the era, they have 2 seams extending just over 6" or so from either side of the car door running the full length from front to back. This one has a giant seam right up the middle, which is how all of the aftermarket tops were of the same vintage until the last 10-15 years when the restorers started being picky. While I'm not certain this an aftermarket top, being that I've only ever seen half tops and the known seams of full factory tops, I'm curious to know if the top is original or added afterward sometime.
     
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    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    I thought all GM cars back then had the options of no, half or full vinyl, regardless of the make and model?
     
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    That's a great question. The '77 Dealer Album shows only a half-roof vinyl top in their image of the "Y79" option. "Includes Landau Rooftop Covering, Body Side Paint Stripe." $300 option. I don't recall ever seeing a '77 (or '78) Toro without the vinyl roof, so it must have been a very commonly-bought option.

    I would guess the full-roof vinyl top on this car is aftermarket. It's a very good job.


    Other GM makes and models might have had the option of varying degrees of vinyl roof covering, but that doesn't seem to be the case with the Toronado.

    I've been collecting '77 and '78 Toronado photos over the last several years when they appear for sale, and I have about 120 different cars now. I went through them just now, and not a single one has anything other than the half-roof vinyl top. No full-roof tops, and no no-vinyl tops at all.
     
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    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    That's interesting, considering that you said "Y79" was an option. So the question now becomes, what was standard?
     
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    I presume standard was no vinyl roof. But I sometimes wonder if these dealer albums, which were printed before the model year even began so that dealers could have them in hand once the new model year commenced, didn't become outdated early on. What had been an option became standard equipment later in the model year, dealer album supplements, etc. were sent to dealers about the change, but those supplements don't usually get included when you find one of these albums on ebay 40 or 50 years later. But you would still think that some early-model-year builds, when the feature was still an option, would have meant that at least some cars were built without the vinyl roof before the vinyl roof became standard. I don't know.
     
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    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    Interesting points. If there were 'no vinyl' cars, you would think you'd see one out of however many survivors, especially since cars with vinyl tops tended to have rust-out issues, and 'no-vinyl' cars less so.
     
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