Getting "daily driver" insurance on my classic wagon

Discussion in 'General Station Wagon Discussions' started by Ak_Eric, Feb 22, 2018.

  1. millsy

    millsy Well-Known Member

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    Expensive cars dont matter unless its something cool. I would only take a Tesla if I could resell it and then buy a wagon and pocket the leftover. People ask me if my Cobra is an original all the time lol. I say no and if I owned an original I would sell it and buy this one and pocket the money. I wouldnt want an original to drive, I couldnt do burnouts, I couldnt go up to the industrial park and do donuts on a dime. I couldnt take it anywhere because it would be too valuable, what fun is that. The fun for me would be to sell it and get something I could drive without fearing the worst. Most wagons are cooler than Teslas, they might not be as fast or worth as much but they have way more character and Teslas are everywhere now but a classic wagon is a damn time capsule that not many kids have ever seen. I drive my cars to baseball practices all the time and I coach the team, my kids dont even blink when I pull up in my vette but go ape shit when I rumble in with the cobra, why? Because not one of them has ever seen a Cobra before. A father of a player has a Maserati and not one kid has even blinked at that car, yes its very expensive but again its not cool. WAGONS ARE COOL!!!
     
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    joe_padavano Well-Known Member

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    So which antique and classic insurance company will write a policy for daily use?
     
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    Ak_Eric Well-Known Member

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    @Brad : The issue for me is that Haggerty (I called them and talked to a representative) won't insure a daily driver. If you somehow did, I'd love to hear it. And if you have a recommendation for an agreed value policy company for a daily driver, that would be great info too.

    @kevdupuis : Who is your insurer? What you have sounds like the secret sauce.
     
  4. Brad

    Brad Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Hagerty has only a few requirements: You must have indoor storage (they have loosened up a little to allow carports). You must have a modern car that is your principal driver. You must meet other underwriting requirements (Tickets, accidents, the normal stuff). They are absolutely the best at Antique and Classic insurance. No, they will not insure it as a daily driver.

    In my agency we do have one company that write a stated value policy for an older car daily driven. Motorists Mutual out of Columbus, OH will do that. They only operate in Ohio and surrounding states so not everyone can get them. Good company too. I have my personal cars and home with them. I do not write my antique and classic cars there as, a stated value policy, they would be subject to depreciation. It would be some coverage, but the stated value policies will depreciate everything on your car. Your paint is 10 years old? 75% depreciated. 25 year old Fender dented? 50% depreciated and so on. That is how stated value policies work with everyone. Pays your money and takes your chances.

    I know of no agreed value company that will write a daily driver.
     
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    joe_padavano Well-Known Member

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    You do realize that was kind of the whole point of this thread, right?
     
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    Brad Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Yes I do Joe. I gave you an answer. I know of ZERO out there that will. And I never have seen any in my 37 years in the industry. I hope that is clear enough for you as I was less than clear in my last post above.
     
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    Good info on the matter. However, what you said is exactly what (in my naivety on the matter) confuses me : There is no way to buy an old car that's in good condition, use it as a daily driver, and have it insured for a sane value? I feel like I should be able to insure a paper bag for $10k and someone would do it. Again though, maybe I'm living in fantasy land.
     
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    Brad Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Eric, it's as simple as the actuaries don't feel they can make money doing it. If there were money to be made, they would be doing it.
     
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    joe_padavano Well-Known Member

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    While the insurance company profits enter into this, the real problem is that there is no way to determine the projected cost of repairs. This makes it nearly impossible to set rates. Keep in mind that the insurance business is all about placing a price on risk. With newer cars, there is an extensive database of both accident probabilities and repair costs. Repair parts are readily available and flat rate manuals allow the insurance company to know how much a repair will cost them. THis database of risk probability and projected claim costs allows the insurers to set premiums that won't lose money and at the same time will be low enough that they will attract customers.

    With limited use antique vehicle policies, the exposure to accidents and thus the risk to the insurance company is sufficiently low that they are willing to write these limited use policies. Using an antique car as a daily driver dramatically increases the chances that the car will be involved in an accident and thus a claim, but there are no longer any applicable databases on the risk of accidents or repair costs that allow the insurance company to set rates. Also, repair parts are difficult to find at best, and few shops know how to properly repair these cars. The owners also tend to be, ah, "fussy" about the quality of the repair. The result is that the small market size and high risk make this an unattractive market for insurers.

    I'm sure you can get a daily driver declared value policy from a specialty insurance vendor like Lloyds of London. You just won't be able to stomach the premiums.
     
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    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    As I see it, the only way to do it the way you're doing it would be a broadform policy, but then, no value is declared by you, only the insurance company. So, no matter which way you go, it's not going to be equitable for you.
     
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    Again, thanks for the feedback everyone, really informative.

    I've got the car, I've got 'daily driver insurance' on it (for what it's worth)... in my 27 years of driving I've never had to do a claim for an accident... let's hope the ball keeps rollin' that direction ;)

    If not, I'll call this an expensive experiment and get some boring modern thing I can get full value coverage on ;)

    But in the meantime, it comes back from the shop in a few days with all new shocks, springs, highway bars, an custom dual exhaust... so I'll enjoy it while I can :p
     

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