Internet usage in Canada has died today

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  1. Cyber-Wizard

    Cyber-Wizard Well-Known Member

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    The CRTC has granted a UBB model to Bell Canada for Internet usage. Bell Canada is now free to charge us a flat rate for monthly 'Net access as well as a per Gigabyte fee. Smaller ISP's who purchase services from Bell will get only a 15% discount. Rogers has announced a UBB model to be rolled out later this year.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...t-on-usage-based-billing-fees/article1882339/

    Time to start locating those medium-sized ISP's who don't purchase their bandwidth from Bell or Rogers/Cogeco. Smaller regional ISP's who purchase their bandwidth from Bell and Rogers will be forced to follow the same model. Unlimited Internet Access will be a thing of the past if this doesn't get reversed.

    There's a petition here:
    http://openmedia.ca/meter
     
  2. HandyAndy

    HandyAndy Well-Known Member

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    That's going to get a lot of hits.
    I can't get it to load. Try later.
     
  3. Fat Tedy

    Fat Tedy Island Red Neck

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    I didn't bother looking at the links, and as for the petition...why bother? They are going to scam us no matter IMO, why??...because the government will get a cut. It's gona happen, except it.

    IMO Shaw will take full advantage of it like there cable TV..... Flat rate will cost you $. If you want "Google" as an example it will cost you $$, if you want "image" options it will cost you $$$, if you want email $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.................
     
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    If companies implement this, there will be a revolt. With ubb, rich online content will stifled.
     
  5. HandyAndy

    HandyAndy Well-Known Member

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    What bugs me is all the unrequested crap that comes down the pipe on my bandwidth like all the google ads and the flashcrapola that I block. Now they're going to make ME pay to have them pump their ads down my pipe.
    I remember when the net was just a bunch a bulletin boards and crappy netscape html.
    It can go back to that for all I care.
    We would still be able to hook up and communicate on low bandwidth mailing lists.
     
  6. Steve-E-D

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  7. silverfox

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    Well...............we all knew it would come. Remember when TV was free? And, by the way, who gave the G authority to sell radio air space? Yup, I knew this would come but, nevertheless, it absolutely INSENSES me! Stef says there will be a revolt. Maybe in Canada, but we Americans will sit and bitch and take no action. If it does happen here I would appeal to all users to just stop using the Internet totally until the law (law?) is scrapped. But it won't happen and people will pay. THAT pisses me off even more than the law would!
    I have to stop now. Really. You have no idea how things like this raise my ire.
     
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    First an Egyptian revolution and now Canada?, this is going to be a busy news week.

    "Give me low cost unlimited bandwidth or give me death!!"

    "Viva la Revolution!,eh" :)


    Are Americans going to have to pay for this site now??:confused:
    This American won't sit and take it, I'll stand up and take it.:mad:
     
  9. HandyAndy

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    You mean bend over and take it... :mad:
     
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    Cyber-Wizard Well-Known Member

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    There's a miniscule glimmer of hope yet. The petition has doubled in size to over 334,000 people in the last two days. The Liberals and NDP have both come out against Internet metering. Now if the CRTC will just wise up...

    This wouldn't be the first time that Bell Canada has gotten exactly what they want just by laying the geekspeak on extra heavy. They got their data infrastructure upgraded a few years back using taxpayers money claiming that they couldn't support the user load. Apparently it was just coincidence that their new backbone was rebuilt with equipment that was capable of Deep Packet Inspection(DPI). DPI equipment is premium hardware, to say the least, and must have cost a buttload of dough. Implementing DPI on a consumer network for "traffic management" is equivalent to listening to everyone's phone calls in order to better understand where to send them and making them wait a half an hour before putting the call through and then telling them that the static they hear is normal. It's my understanding that DPI hasn't been allowed for use by a commercial ISP in any other country due to potential privacy issues...only in Canada.

    Now after spending all of that money infringing on our privacy in order to bill us better, Bell is claiming once again that their network can't support the user load and they want to bill us for all traffic in order to better recoup losses from those users who are "traffic hogs". The ones who are paying for an unlimited connection and make use of it for more than occassionally checking email.

    As the root of many of the complaints are the small regional ISP's who are supporting their customers by proper routing and expansion of networks without resorting to absurd billing policies. Many of these small ISP's purchase their bandwidth from Bell and therefore have to explain that their customers must accept the same policies as Bell's customers. The same thing happened with the bandwidth throttling and packet delays that occurred after the DPI installation.

    This isn't just another case of the government screwing us with an increase in taxes. This now means that everything that we do on the Internet can be monitored and metered. If this isn't permitted in other countries, how is it that Bell can convince the CRTC that they need it? There's a huge privacy issue at stake here and every Internet user, and even non-Internet user needs to be outraged and speak out. Bell and Rogers/Cogeco/Shaw are paving the road to do away with consumer television in homes as we know it. The idea is that you will have an Internet connection for everything. 'Net access, telephone, television, etc. Think of what it means if Usage Based Billing goes into place and then your cable TV connection gets taken away so that every hour of television you watch gets applied to your Internet bill!

    Those of you who've followed my wagon purchase and repairs realized that I don't get riled at much. It just doesn't happen. As a guy who makes the bulk of his living using the Internet in some way, I'm cheesed off! To cite an example, my job allows me to work from home whenever I choose as long as I have an Internet connection available. If this passes, it will actually cost me money to work from home vs driving into the office and my ISP can now monitor everything I do. What right have they to poke their nose into work that I do for my company or my companies customers. That's just one minor way that this will affect people and there are many more on the way.

    Sorry for getting a little carried away again. This is just a really big deal and touches on some heavy Big Brother type stuff. There's no reason that Canada/U.S. should have to put up with this crap. Let it stay in China and Egypt.
     
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    Everyone should sign this petition! These companies are suckin enough money out of us already!
     
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    Big Brother is here. The people are up in arms but it's way too little and way too late. The G has taken over. The days of "wait and see" have now bitten us in the ass. Some people actually believe that the G still works for US.
     
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  14. Steve-E-D

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    I see your quote and raise you 4 font sizes.

    Its been a crazy day at work and I've been trying to beat that very same quote into a few people's heads all day.

    IMHO, the Internet should be a free public service. You could build a mighty global data infrastructure for a fraction of our yearly military budget.... and while we're at it, throw in a global solar/tidal/geothermal energy grid to boot.
    :idea:
     
  15. Cyber-Wizard

    Cyber-Wizard Well-Known Member

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    Here's an interesting interpretation of the potential cost increases. I found this in my Google Reader feed this morning.

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