Occupy Wall Street

77Vista, you may not pay alot of attention to politics, but politics WILL pay attention to you. I strongly urge you to follow the daily political news. Make consious decisions and to vote accordingly. Its vitally important.

Socialism actually requires a large government because it relies on it as a distribution system for the wealth. Socialism can't succeed because it turns its back on human nature. People will never strive to be anything greater then mediocre if there is no reward that is proportionate to their efort.

The anti-government sentiment you are hearing out of this movement is based on the fact that they blame wall street and the banks for the current state of the economy and look at government as facillitators of this due to the bank and union bail outs. They would welcome a government that was 10 times bigger if that government taxed the rich 80% and then turned around and gave it to them.

JMO

I dont think these rag tag group of demonstraitors even know what the defination of socialism/marxism really is. Or the difference between Capitolism and socialism.

Margaret Thatcher once said " The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money ". This is unfortunately happening as we type in Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Portugal .... geeze most of Europe is on the brink of financial collapse. These countries are all examples of cradle to grave Socialism gone wild.

 

Well said!

On another note.
Our local conservative radio talk show host Bill Post decided on Monday to start his own movement and "Occupy Scio" a small rural town of 850 persons. He set up his Facebook page "Occupy Scio" purely as a tongue in cheek poke at the other events going on all over the country including my home town of Salem Oregon.
The idea has gone viral here in the very 'blue' willamette valley with many of the residents and businesses in the little town of Scio getting on board. The counter movement has gathered so much steam that Bill has suggested we actually do something neat for the town and is planning on broadcasting one day this coming week from the middle of town.

I volunteered to design a t-shirt and quite a few have come forward to volunteer to print... but so far we, like the other protesters, have not yet come up with any demands. My suggestions so far are 1. Honor the Flag, 2. Honor God, 3. Support the troops and 4. Hug your kids or get a job. Going to throw a flag in there somewhere too. Trying to be positive here and suggestions are welcome.

The Albany Democrat Herald did a write up even if you want to see what the media thinks.

 

Supposedly these demonstrations arent going to end. I personally think they will fizzle out in time.

Besides New York City gets pretty dammed cold in winter

 

"The anti-government sentiment you are hearing out of this movement is based on the fact that they blame wall street and the banks for the current state of the economy and look at government as facillitators of this due to the bank and union bail outs."

I find it hard to understand why the Tea Baggers and other conservatives disagree with this so strongly.

It seems to me to be be a variation of their own raison d'etre. .



Did poor people or students crash the global economy?

I seriously doubt it.

It was the people who pull the strings......

 

The Democrats are the cause... watch this for proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63siCHvuGFg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTbIb75JdwY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related

 

I haven't read all of the other posts, but this one was sent to my email. I hate when I subscribe and it only notifies me randomly. I didn't know this thread got this long.

I think it would be easier to hear your argument without resorting to the term "Tea Bagger." That term bothers me as a parent. We have all of the people at the top speaking publicly using this term. Not only is it derogatory, it has a sexual connotation.

On a side not: I do believe that poor people and students are one of the causes of this global economic crash. My reasoning, there are more "poor" people and students in this country than rich. This means that they have more votes. They voted the people into office who are currently there. Thus, they are responsible.
Also, poor people and students are usually using credit cards and extending way past their limit. They also buy houses they can't afford. I am not taking jabs at people, this is what happened. Whether or not they were coerced into the houses or bad loans. At some point they have to look at the numbers and say, "I can't pay that per month."

 

Greed and corruption are the causes on both sides. To blame one side here only inflames those who are in the Democratic party needlessly, though I share your sentiments with this current administration.

Truth is, the world is melting down. Even had a group of Amish attacking other Amish for heavens sake.

Today it was reported that criminals, drugs, pan handlers and other bad sorts have begun to mingle with the protesters looking for a free meal and selling drugs. In my opinion, winter can't come too fast this year and put an end to the craziness before someone gets hurt.

BTW, I wonder if we will see a bump in out-of-wedlock births 9 months from now?

 

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And the poor people and the students voted Reagan, and Bush I and II into office?
Newt?
The crash didn't magically start in 2008 with the election of Obama.
It just isn't his fault.
He's trying to keep the boat from sinking, even though the boat is full of holes.
Don't forget that we had a great economy when Bill Clinton was at the helm.

I still think its the banks and the lobbyists, and the people who swallow their BS that caused it.
The question that the Wall Street protesters are asking is (I think):
Why can't/ won't we fix it?
The answer is the same as the cause of the problem, I think. :confused:

 

Yup, that's how they made it into office. People are very finicky. If you watch the polls and how often they change and the 20% that are always undecided. People don't always think for themselves and just follow the media. Well, ALL media has a bias. It's impossible to remain completely neutral all the time. So, one must have the time to use multiple news sources and weigh their options.
Poor people don't have that kind of time because they are usually working two jobs or worrying about other things. Not saying rich people have time either.

I will leave the argument about Obama creating the crash alone. I don't have sources or links to provide to support my beliefs. (and they are beliefs)

 

Thank You! Where I live there are so many people who look for reasons to justify what they want to believe. "Obama Hates the Constitution". You know how many times I have had to hear this! So I did some research and couldn't find anything to support it. What I did find supports what I already know.The media gives us the information that [they] want us to see and that is why there are people who watch only certain networks. Fox News is Republican, Obviously. I know that you can get two rather different messages from the same interview from two separate networks. People will hear what they want to hear, and thus they will make their own conclusion(s) from that. Now, with knowing all of this I feel that in order for me to have any kind of realistic opinion about such things as important as this I must hear all sides, take each with a grain of salt, and mull it over. So let me be open and honest with some of my views and perspectives. Take however you wish. 1. I like Obama. Yes he has done things and allowed things that I don't like. But so have I. 2. I like Micheal Moore. 3 Sarah Palin scares me.
It is easy to blame one side or the other but, as far as I can see it, political party has nothing to do with it. It is simply the people that make the decisions. I judge some one by starting with their character... Out side of religion or political standing, but simply by their character as a person. That will dictate how they live their life and how they will affect others. Okay it seems I am being a little more honest than usual. So here goes. I am so sick of hearing "It's their fault" or "They did it" or "Blame them they want this or they want that or they don't"..... "wah wah wah" GROW UP AND STOP WHINING ABOUT WHO DID IT AND LETS FIX THIS ALREADY! How about we stop doing the blame game. Yes I've played it, so don't think that I am excluding myself or that I think myself better, because I don't. I know full and well that I am part of the problem; a whiner. I get caught up in the back and forth crap slinging. I am tired of the old banter of blame. Perhaps it is time we all grew up and just started treating our country like a country, our world like a world. Humanity is still a child. It took us so long just to learn how to walk. Then we became toddlers and interacted with our world. And throughout it al it seems that we have begun to stagnate at the stage of children. Humanity on the whole is more than capable of growing beyond this pettiness and ... You have seen little kids. One moment they are getting along fine and the next they are fighting over a toy and hitting each other and screaming "It's mine! It's mine!"

Let's stand up humanity. admit and accept what we have done and FIX IT...

Please don't hate me for this. I hear what every one else thinks, but usually stay quiet, myself... I didn't feel like being quiet today. I feel that after this time that I have been on the forum that my character has been seen.

 

The problem is that each side believes the other side's solution will make things worse rather than better. Bush may have left the economy in the toilet, but the Obama administration has demonstrated over and over that flushing the toilet (and flushing insane amounts of taxpayer money down the toilet) isn't ever going to fix anything.
You may as well realize now that there is no middle ground. The country is being pulled in two very different directions. One side blames Wall Street and big business, the other side blames big government, crippling government restrictions on doing business, the threat of higher taxes, and big government spending.
One thing I believe we should be doing right now is more and more domestic drilling for oil and construction of additional refinery capacity. I believe that this, along with developing alternate energy sources would help make the US energy independent and then we could eventually be exporting energy to help restore the economy.

 

I know. Children don't like to actually grow up just to pretend to be adults. Our government is just two kids fighting and neither wants to let go, give in, or just share the toy.

Middle ground is the fantasy of those who see what the future should be.

You know how many oil drills there are over here. Not in Joplin but over in Kansas and not just even there. There are crazy amounts of oil just in Kansas alone. But most of the wells have been capped off. Why? No reason. They aren't empty. I have a friend who drove a rig and hauled pipes out to the old American oil fields and has told me all about what he saw happen and it started back in the 70s. Seems to me that somebody was like "Let's stop using our own and use all of theirs so that when it is all gone we can sell to them and have the upper hand." ... at least it seems that way.

 

Actually, I think what we have right now is the middle ground. Theres a tug of war going on and the current economy is the mud pit in the middle. One side wants to pull us out of the pit one direction, and the other wants to pull us out of the pit in the other direction. The problem is that each side views their own side as the right side, the good side, and views the other side as the wrong side, the bad side.
I'm one of those who view the other side's solutions as socialist, or marxist, and I for one, don't want to be pulled out of the mud hole in the middle, onto that shore.